Arthur Ransome Wiki

Hello Hugoboss and welcome. I'll see if this neat welcoming machine works: (here goes):


Anyway you are welcome all the same whether it works or not. I'm Peter, aka Nankai 21:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

OK I'll try again:


Welcome to the Arthur Ransome Wiki, and thank you for your contributions! There's a lot to do around here, so I hope you'll stay with us and make many more improvements.

One thing that you should note is that the Arthur Ransome Wiki aims to include content directly or closely related to Arthur Ransome and his works rather than matters of general (native) interest. These may be deleted as they are more suited for Wikipedia.

Recent changes is a great first stop, because you can see what pages other people have been editing, and where you can help.
Please sign in every time you edit, so that we can recognise you!

I'm really happy to have you here, and look forward to working with you!

There! Nankai 21:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I contributed as Jhn Wilson as the "o" of John got dropped so I decided to start again. I have stuck to the AR books.

One future idea for CF's page is to list the various references to where he has been; largely descriptions of the items in the houseboat or study, with the odd remark as well Hugoboss 08:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

John, I'm a bit bothered about Camp Might Have Been. Did the SADMC not rename it after Titty discovered the well? Is it not "Camp Jolly Well Is" or some such? Does "Miners Camp" have any weight as a name? (I mean, can it be spelt with capital letters?) I have lost my PP, I only have it in the Japanese version (annoyingly called "The homing pigeons of the Swallow", I bet named by a publisher not the translater) Nankai 07:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Peter - No I can't see Miners' Camp used anywhere; I only put it in because it was used on another Wiki page as a linking name. My copy is a Cape hdbk ex-library. Camp Might Have Been .. Jolly good name for it (Nancy) on page 99; She's been up the wood again to Might Have Been. She's found a spring ... (Nancy again) on page 159. On page 171 Nancy says titty has "earned a place on a map" ... Titty's Well (also used on page 184). The camp is just the "new camp" on pages 175 and 186. PS: I have most except PD, all ex-library, most hdbk but some pbk. Hugoboss 12:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

well Camp Might Have Been it is then, if that's the only name given with Capital Letters. You've got me going now, I started (slowly!) reading PP in Japanese the night before last, it's great how much you can pick up reading at 1/10th speed! Did you know for example that there's a cricket ground at Strickland Junction? Mrs Blackett speaks such a funny, friendly dialect (compared to Mrs Walker - dead posh)Nankai 20:13, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

featured Article[]

Hello John, Happy Gregorian and Chinese New Years! I see you have been busy; I have too but not on AR Wiki. When the long cold winter months return to New Zealand I'll certainly get back in to it.

It must be your turn to choose the next Featured Article: one with an illustration is good, to brighten the front page. Note carefully all the links and heading styles. Have fun and keep up the good work. Peter = Nankai 08:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Well I will have to look for one with an illustration - apart from The Lake! Hugoboss 13:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Moved Daddy to Ted Walker[]

Hello John, I hope you are well. I moved Moved Daddy to Ted Walker (again), after discovering that Frank Farland is also called Daddy. Ted Walker is a more concise name for the article. (one wouldn't name the articles Ella Dudgeon, Molly Blackett, Mary Walker etc etc "Mother"). Peter Nankai 21:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Well I don't mind; I did not call the page Daddy originally. But will alter re ML as in ML16 Titty says that John does not need Latin as he is going into the Navy; then it is John not Titty who says Daddy is a Captain, but will "be an admiral when he retires". And of course a shock for Missee Lee whose father has said "No British prisoners" because of gunboats - and their father was a (gunboat?) captain Hugoboss 12:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


Hello John, you here too?Nankai 10:11, September 8, 2009 (UTC) Yes, my login page John Wilson aka hugo/hugoboss Hugoboss 10:26, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Have a look at Red herrings; the only ref. to Sydney I can find is Mary Walker capsizing her cousin's yacht in Sydney Harbour, or is there a book with her being brought up "close to Sydney harbour" that I have missed? Hugoboss 14:11, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

PS: Close to Sydney Harbour is from (SA2): “I wonder whether the real Queen Elizabeth knew much about ships” said Titty. That Queen Elizabeth was not brought up close to Sydney Harbour” said mother (SA2). Hugoboss 03:20, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Red herrings[]

I recall the actual; words "brought up close to Sydney Harbour" somewhere. The text on Red herrings is mostly from Arthur Ransome Trivia on

I prefer links to be done like this: *[[Wikipedia:Arthur Ransome]] to give:

This make them stand apart from general text and makes it clear that the reader is departing from this website. I also like how Wikipedia's name appears in the link, because our stated policy is to be complementary to Wikipedia (see top of our Main Page). I think we should use Wikipedia as our preferred external link on any subject. What do you think?Nankai 22:39, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

I agree about linking to "Wikipedia" for say native" places, where there is nothing relating to AF to say about the place. But using Arthur Ransome you can see the full title when you "hover" over it. And yes, I am in Wellington, NZ.

PS: Close to Sydney Harbour is from (SA2): “I wonder whether the real Queen Elizabeth knew much about ships” said Titty. That Queen Elizabeth was not brought up close to Sydney Harbour” said mother (SA2). Hugoboss 13:27, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

No hea koe?[]

John, do you live in New Zealand??? Nankai 00:41, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Wellington, eh... I live in Warrington, near Dunedin. Fancy that.Nankai 07:27, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

book refs[]

Hello John, I notice you write refs like this: [[SA|SA1]] but it works OK if you just do [[SA]]1. Up to you either way, I thought it would save you a bit of typing. You have written several references to "[[Wardale]]", it would be better in my humble opinion to use the abbreviation of the relevant book, eg ([[NBUS]]), because he wrote more than one book. Let's have a separate article for him and each of his books.

Keep up the good work-Peter Nankai 20:48, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

hello John[]

NEWS FLASH: Arthur Ransome Wiki is now linked to the image repository Wikimedia Commons. This means anypic.jpg there will open here with the same filename, no need to import the file. Thanks to Kyle from Wikia Inc.


Nankai 00:41, October 14, 2009 (UTC)


John you're quite right. An article should be in the most precise categoy applicable, then that category should itself be in the next wider category and so on. I'm bad at this. So Treaty of Offence and Defence should be in category:Swallows and Amazons series which is in Category:Books, it could be in category:treaties which is in category:documents, if such categories existed... Nankai 01:38, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

And there is one article on "Brand Names" (not sure of the exact title) which I thought of adding cycle tyres eg Dunlop to (BS) to, but which I can't find as it does not appear to be in the "Ships Babies". I think all articles on aspects of the books should be in "Swallows and Amazons series". Hugoboss 04:11, October 22, 2009 (UTC)


Primus is a jolly good little article. I removed the "Ship's Baby" tag because I don't see it getting any longer or better. Liking to Wikipedia can be done very easily with [[wikipedia:Nameofarticle]], that saves all the http:///..... bumf.


I see you categorised it category:natives. This raises an interesting problem: it makes Arthur Ransome a native. I have categorised people like Mrs Walker or Cook as natives,. and towns like Windermere as native locations, so I don't see why Altounyan isn't native, but I don't know how to distinguish between fictional natives and real ones now. What do you think? Nankai 06:23, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Well hadn't thought of that, but the Ransomes & Altounyans should be in some sort of category Hugoboss 13:45, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


These talk pages are good but a bit one-on-one. I suggest we remove all discussion to the forum and "watch" that page so we are alerted to discussion there whenever we visit (I don't know hw to do this but I'll have a go)Nankai 06:23, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

bloke up your way[]

John, perhaps I should introduce you to my brother Andrew, he has been doing a bit of work on chronology, he lives in your town; if interested email me... peterdotdowdenatgmaildotcom

Ransomes or Altounyans native?[]

Hmmm. Let's not have them native. Native means the GA, the Doctor etc. The term Native has crept outwards to encompass several other concepts but let's try to rein it in. Leeds for example shouldn't really be in Category:Native locations because it isn't even a prototype. I have not thought about this enough before... here I am thinking about it now, sort of on the hop:

  1. it could be only used on this wiki mean "stuff or people described as native in the books: parents, adults, settlements, tins of cocoa etc"
  2. it could be used on this wiki to mean "any item of interest to readers of Ransomes books, but which isn't in his books"

Let's aim for the first of these but let's not backtrack too much. I wouldn't want Wikipedia to cease being described as "Native", or to stop saying "Native Events in 1906" on chronology pages.

In summary: my suggestion is "somewhere in the middle, don't keep stretching "Native" or it will become meaningless"Nankai 23:30, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Looking at the AR page, "Ransome associates" for the Altounyans and "Real people" also, Perhaps "Scholars" could be a subcat of "Real people" Hugoboss 12:56, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

New Messages[]

Couldn't see any new messages on my talk page today, despite the "new message" warning when I logged in to the site - John Hugoboss 01:06, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Hello John[]

Hello, in answer (belatedly) to your question, I'd use the categories "real persons", "Ransome family" "Ransome associates".

Native has developed an indistinct meaning on the Wiki... maybe we should change "native locations" to "real locations" and restrict the meaning of the word "Native" to "fictional characters in the Arthur Ransome series other than the SDwallows, Amazons, Ds and Coot Club members and these characters' associated affairs and attitudes"

For several months now I have been unable to edit Wikia articles (hence my apparent absence) due to a software clash between my computer and Wikia's servers... I am about to find out if Wikia's makeover has solved this. here goes (as I move my mouse to the Save button)...

Hello again[]

well, it worked and I have done lots of tidying around the term 'native': changed locations to "real" or "prototype"

Nankai 22:24, October 14, 2010 (UTC)


but for how long? I just discovered Tintin Wiki]! Nankai 00:24, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

My older son used to read some. We do not have any Tintin books, though there are some Asterix books upstairs. Hugoboss 13:17, November 3, 2010 (UTC) PS: In the new improved version of the Wiki, useful features like Special pages eg Wanted pages seem to have disappeared?

Wanted Pages and Ships Babies are still linked from down low on the front page. You can restore AR Wiki to old-style by going to your Preferences and changing your "skin" to "monobook"; you get way fewer ads too!

Miss Lee[]

John, I shifted the reference at the "Hon Litt D etc" about the wrong semaphores to Semaphore. I can assure you Ransome's Chinese calligraphy is orthographically correct, just a little technically scruffy; in the context of a Japanese translation, Jingū Teruo would have wanted the calligraphy to be up to school standard. I'm assuming Ransome did it himself; I don't see why he couldn't learn a little Chinese in his travels. Nankai 03:24, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Date paradox[]

John, as supreme potentate and unelected dictator of Arthur Ransome Wiki, I have decreed that there is no longer a 1929-1930-1931 paradox. Swallowdale is therefore deemed to be set in 1930 and Hammond's research on the matter is accepted as canon. Nankai 22:29, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

As I said, Hammond does not give a source. Though Cape’s archives seem the most likely. But on Tarboard Roger Wardale says he has not seen such a request ib the archives, and that there was somewhere a chart of dates/years that AR made up, apparently showing SA in 1930 etc. Hugoboss 01:33, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Declaration of Wardale[]

Hello John, I hope you don't mind, but I have painstakingly changed all references reading (Wardale, page umpteen) to (NBUS, page umpteen) in order to:

  1. bring referencing in line wuith the system detailed in the article References
  2. avoid confusion, as Roger Wardale wrote more than one book.

Wardale now redirects to Roger Wardale

keep up the good work, Nankai 02:59, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Fine, I overlooked the seperate NBUS article Hugoboss 09:41, June 23, 2011 (UTC)


Hello John

I added a "LATEST NEWS" FEATURE TO THE FRONT PAGE. iF YOU CLICK ON "CREATE A NEWS ITEM" YOU CAN ADD ONE. iT TAKES A FEW MINUTES BEFORE IT APPEARS (jeez I hate the caps lock key) on the front page. The news item will appear with a headline and the first few words, with a link to view "more" on the page for that story. Have fun with it! Peter Nankai 22:30, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Absent for a while[]

on world trip until mid-June Hugoboss 22:39, April 13, 2012 (UTC)


I enjoyed your article Drinking, good work.Nankai (talk) 21:05, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

I'll drink to that Hugoboss (talk) 10:53, June 24, 2016 (UTC)